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Abrahamic God Does not Exist

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Published by A3n, September 22, 2007, 10:52 am GMT
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1) PREMISE:   
(7/15) 47% 
the Abrahamic God ( (early) Judaism, christianity, islam) is defined as:
1. omnibenevolent (unlimited or infinite benevolence)
2. omniscient (all-knowing thus cannot make mistakes)
3. omnipotent (all mighty)
4. Is not bound to time nor space since it is he who created these. (transcendent)

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2) PREMISE:   
(6/13) 46% 
There is evil in the world and this is defined as natural disasters, diseases, and other unneccesary sufferings including the pain inflicted by human beings to other human beings.

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3) FROM 1 AND 2 IT FOLLOWS THAT:   
(4/7) 57% 
Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. If God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?

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4) PREMISE:   
(2/3) 67% 
*** Can be ignored ***
omnipotence paradox: Can he create a stone which he himself cannot lift ?
if the answer is no, he is not omnipotent because he cannot create such a stone. (but he could still be very powerfull)
if the answer is yes, he is not omnipotent because he cannot lift the stone.
omniscience paradox:
If I were to ask an omniscient -who has the answer to every question- God to tell me something that he does not know. Either (1) he cannot answer the question or (2) he answers the question and reveals a thing he does not know.

I acknowledge that this only attacks the ultimate definition of omnipotence and omniscience and leaves open the possibility of a powerfull being that can do anything except this task (and similar tasks in the same form) and an all-knowing being that knows everything (but not the answer to every question).

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5) PREMISE:   
(3/5) 60% 
since God is allknowing AND allmighty and thus infallible (cannot make mistakes), when he created humans he has designed them to do what they do, want what they want, and choose what they choose. Since he has not made a mistake, knows this, and is all powerfull, punishing humans for their choice or desire is not just but evil. (It is comparable to locking up a dog in an area and then punishing it for being in that area.)
Thus,
- if God punishes, he is evil. (thus, not benevolent)
(unrelated: there is no free will.)

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6) FROM 3,4 AND 5 IT FOLLOWS THAT:   
(4/4) 100% 
The Abrahamic God does not exist.

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